Ok, guess I (a social democrat) am a right winger. Which makes me exactly as bad as people defending Israeli genocide, anti lgbt people, anti imigration people and so on.
Because you can’t fucking understand that there is more to politics than just economic policy. And that there is more to economic policy than just capitalism x socialism.
Type of brain dead take that adds 0 value to the world. Lmao.
I don’t think you can be a Social Democrat and be a capitalist at the same time. A Social Democrat is someone who understands that capitalism is a destructive system and needs Band-Aids otherwise it’ll destroy us all. They understand the capitalism is a rabid dog that needs to be muzzled. They understand that we should replace it they just don’t have any better ideas at the moment. But certainly I don’t think you can be a real capitalist and a Social Democrat the same time.
Then I’m a radical capitalist because regularly I participate in capitalist activities such as purchasing food, renting an apartament, making money off of my services, etc. Hell, I even have my own company which is a sole proprietorship. A business person, that I am!
And here I thought I’m a Marxist. My bad, I guess I should join Peter Thiel’s secret circle of evil!
Well corporatism and capitalism are heavily linked they are not the same thing. Lot of people own their own company it doesn’t make them capitalists. You can have a company which is you mowing lawns but I wouldn’t say you control the means of production. You’re just providing a service. And certainly no one’s dumb enough to think selling your labor makes you a capitalist.
But then what about the corporations that rely on selling labor - outsourcing, software houses, even finance to some extent. Are they not capitalist?
One can argue that it’s the labourers that’s the resource, or it’s the information that’s the resource. But then why labor per-se isn’t? Or knowledge, the expertise.
Is the resource being finite the major factor? But a man can practise in his field only for so long.
For outsourcing, it’s the contracts that are the resource. These dictate how much labour will be transferred.
For software houses, it’s the information that’s the resource. It is usually proprietary IP and loaned to a third party.
In finance, capital itself is the resource, which is manipulated by workers to generate profit for the owner of the capital.
In all of these cases the capitalist owns the resources in question. The workers need to provide labour so that these resources can be activated, but they get little to no say in how much they get paid. Does that answer your question?
Brother you just equated capitalism with the concept of being able to purchase things. You really think you have any grounds to talk about using broad terms? I mean honestly?
As Americans we got so fucked by Fox News propaganda, that we have new generations growing up thinking they have to be communists if they want nationalized healthcare and affordable groceries, that it’s the same thing.
Right wing people believe it, and now some left wing people believe it, and they’re thinking they’re socialists just because they don’t want to go bankrupt due to a health issue… The rest of the fucking western world is not communist, yet they still have free healthcare and take a month or two off a year.
I have been saying for a long time, there’s a lot of people here that hate capitalism and think they’re communist because they’re just suffering a uniquely American version of capitalism, and we’d be so much fucking better off with literally just nationalized healthcare. We just don’t want to be terrified all the time, and feel like we’re seconds away from death and poverty. This is uniquely an American capitalism and it’s usually not this fucking bad.
Ok, guess I (a social democrat) am a right winger. Which makes me exactly as bad as people defending Israeli genocide, anti lgbt people, anti imigration people and so on.
Because you can’t fucking understand that there is more to politics than just economic policy. And that there is more to economic policy than just capitalism x socialism.
Type of brain dead take that adds 0 value to the world. Lmao.
I don’t think you can be a Social Democrat and be a capitalist at the same time. A Social Democrat is someone who understands that capitalism is a destructive system and needs Band-Aids otherwise it’ll destroy us all. They understand the capitalism is a rabid dog that needs to be muzzled. They understand that we should replace it they just don’t have any better ideas at the moment. But certainly I don’t think you can be a real capitalist and a Social Democrat the same time.
Please define capitalist.
One who practices or advocates capitalism.
Then I’m a radical capitalist because regularly I participate in capitalist activities such as purchasing food, renting an apartament, making money off of my services, etc. Hell, I even have my own company which is a sole proprietorship. A business person, that I am!
And here I thought I’m a Marxist. My bad, I guess I should join Peter Thiel’s secret circle of evil!
Well corporatism and capitalism are heavily linked they are not the same thing. Lot of people own their own company it doesn’t make them capitalists. You can have a company which is you mowing lawns but I wouldn’t say you control the means of production. You’re just providing a service. And certainly no one’s dumb enough to think selling your labor makes you a capitalist.
But then what about the corporations that rely on selling labor - outsourcing, software houses, even finance to some extent. Are they not capitalist?
One can argue that it’s the labourers that’s the resource, or it’s the information that’s the resource. But then why labor per-se isn’t? Or knowledge, the expertise.
Is the resource being finite the major factor? But a man can practise in his field only for so long.
What on Earth are you talking about?
For outsourcing, it’s the contracts that are the resource. These dictate how much labour will be transferred.
For software houses, it’s the information that’s the resource. It is usually proprietary IP and loaned to a third party.
In finance, capital itself is the resource, which is manipulated by workers to generate profit for the owner of the capital.
In all of these cases the capitalist owns the resources in question. The workers need to provide labour so that these resources can be activated, but they get little to no say in how much they get paid. Does that answer your question?
None of that is capitalism.
I think the better way to describe yourself is poorly read.
Ah yes, sir I’m never wrong if I’m using some extremely broad terms and explaining them using even broaded terms
Brother you just equated capitalism with the concept of being able to purchase things. You really think you have any grounds to talk about using broad terms? I mean honestly?
I mean fine, I guess I’m just ignorant, why won’t you help me understand the concept in a way that does not rely on me already knowing the concept?
As Americans we got so fucked by Fox News propaganda, that we have new generations growing up thinking they have to be communists if they want nationalized healthcare and affordable groceries, that it’s the same thing.
Right wing people believe it, and now some left wing people believe it, and they’re thinking they’re socialists just because they don’t want to go bankrupt due to a health issue… The rest of the fucking western world is not communist, yet they still have free healthcare and take a month or two off a year.
I have been saying for a long time, there’s a lot of people here that hate capitalism and think they’re communist because they’re just suffering a uniquely American version of capitalism, and we’d be so much fucking better off with literally just nationalized healthcare. We just don’t want to be terrified all the time, and feel like we’re seconds away from death and poverty. This is uniquely an American capitalism and it’s usually not this fucking bad.