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  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.nettome_irl@lemmy.worldMe_irl
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    4 months ago

    Lets say a worker produces a 100 in value. 50 of that go to wages, 25 to profit and 25 to taxes. If you raise the wage to 80, then it is impossible to give 25 to profit and 25 to taxes, as only a 100 in value is produced. As in 100 - 80 = 20 and 25 + 25 = 50 and 50 > 20. So you need to lower profit and taxes so that taxes + profit = 20. If the wage raise is lower, you can get away with just cutting profits, but in this case it has to be taxes as well.


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    4 months ago

    I was just trying to point out, that the definition of not working is problematic. It includes pensioners and it excludes a lot of people, who I would call rich, like say Fortune 500 CEOs. It therefore needs to be enough capital to allow a passive income well above global average. A good number would imho be something like USD 1,000,000 to be a proper capitalist. And yes a lot of US Americans are rich.

    US American pensioners lowest possible social security payment is higher then the median Chinese wage. Cry me a river.



  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.nettome_irl@lemmy.worldMe_irl
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    4 months ago

    In a public pension, there is some sort of tax, which is taken from workers to pay the pensions. If you want to increase pensions, you need to increase those taxes, hence everything else being equal you lower the real wage of workers.



  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.nettome_irl@lemmy.worldMe_irl
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    4 months ago

    And, if you assume retirees fund their retirements through investments (which is not generally true btw, private pensions are not the only model), this holds on some level for retirees as well. If their income depends on the profits of some company, then it is not to their benefit if that company needs to pay workers more.

    When you have a public pension, the difference is just that you do not take it via profit, but via some sort of tax. So for pensioners in general, they do not want to increase the real pay of workers. It is also hard to argue that a government pension is not a form of wealth, when something similar on the private market is considered that.


  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.nettome_irl@lemmy.worldMe_irl
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    4 months ago

    The simplest way to classify “rich” is capitalist class. Those that no longer perform labor. Instead, their wealth passively generates wealth that sustains their lifestyle.

    That means everybody who managed to retire is rich.