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  • Where is the disenfranchised youth grinding out their anger on an electric guitar in an abandoned industrial building?

    Might be a bit of a hot take: the spirit is alive but the common form drifted away from this old-school ideal.

    Punk as a genre has stopped being a self-contained monolith, and started blending into other styles. There’s still a pool of traditionalists, but they’re a relative minority.

    In the 90s, it bleed into hard rock (Nirvana). In the aughts, the main fork was emo-punk (a la Conor Oberst). The 2010s had a big post-punk wave (Parquet Courts, Viagra Boys). Meanwhile, on a longer timeline, industrial EDM/noise music has been the modern incarnation of the spirit of the hardcore subgenre (Death Grips), and folk-punk has been a consistent niche of its own.

    And even on top of these more specific splinters, the standard indie rock genre has grown to encompass more “soft-punk” elements in recent decades (Modest Mouse, Wolf Parade).


  • If you were a painter who who makes art for a living, does it really seem “fair” for someone else to take your work, without any sort of consent or compensation, and use it to produce other works that are in direct competition (for time, money and attention) with you? How is that “fair” in any sense of the word?

    You’re equating the human process of learning and practicing art to scraping and feeding a bunch of stuff into a machine learning algorithm

    You were not talking at all about LLMs in your rhetoric: you were talking about artists painting and I responded to what you wrote. You made the analogy linking LLM output to an artists output; I did not.

    Please engage in good faith or self-ban.


  • If you were a painter who who makes art for a living, does it really seem “fair” for someone else to take your work, without any sort of consent or compensation, and use it to produce other works that are in direct competition (for time, money and attention) with you? How is that “fair” in any sense of the word?

    This is exactly how it works in the real world. I can go teach a class* on how to imitate the art style and techniques of any living famous artist, and as long as I’m not knocking off a direct copy of their pieces, it’s kosher per copyright law and per social norms.

    I could even show the artist’s works unaltered in those classes as long as I’m doing so to comment educationally.

    That’s been the standard for literal centuries and most creatives are not offended or upset by it. I personally would not at all be offended or considered it unfair if someone taught a class on how I made things I showed publicly.