I’m operating in this discussion as though your premise is the sole correct one.

For me it is, and for you yours is, which I guess if you follow the logic means there is no ‘sole correct one’ :)

That being the case 1000 years? Way too short I’d love to live infinitely.

Wouldn’t you get tired? Have you not read/heard stories and fables of characters who got that wish and ended up regretting it, because all they cherish moves on while theyre stuck forever? Also this is kinda my misunderstanding with the concept of heaven - eternity would become boring. And, what if your neighbour in heaven ends up being incredibly annoying and youre stuck next to him for ever. Euugh ;P

“Mattering” to a small degree does carry some weight in my life. Its why I do the positive things I do and why I work the career I do.

I see, well thats another difference between us. My matterring or lack thereof has no impact on the things I enjoy and whether I choose to engage in those activities. I dont enjoy programming because I matter, I enjoy it because I simply do, and thats the only reason I do it. Same goes for reading books, or playing games. Whether I matter has no effect on whether I will do things I enjoy or not. Thats the way I see it.

I recognize on a cosmic scale I don’t matter

The way I see it, and I touched on this in an earlier comment, we very rarely matter even in a local scale, over even a small time frame of a lifetime or two.

I just realised that we are discussing something which relies heavily on the concept of “mattering”, but we very likely have entirely different understandings of what the word actually means, so Im interested to read what it means for you.

For me to matter means to have made a change, positive or negative (hopefully former, sadly more common to be the latter), the effects of which will be felt beyond the immediate group of people ‘present’ or even alive when the action takes place, and to be remembered for it. Alexander the Great is an example of this. Thousands of years after he is gone, his name is remembered, and he certainly shaped the world in one way or another.

I am also enjoying our discussion, not despite our clear differences in opinion but because of them :)

And I am also not trying or expect to change your mind.

Its not that we dont matter at all per se. Its a bit hard to put it into words what Im trying to say. Ill flip the question onto you: because we matter, regardless of how little or much, would you be willing to live for 500 years? What about 1000? Its kind of like were bartering over the number of years its acceptable (usually socially, because as you can see from this thread as soon as someone sais “actually i dont want a long life”, others tend to not be able to comprehend why that would be) to want to live. My point is that mattering doesnt matter to me. We think we matter, but most people dont really. Most people dont even know or remember their great grandparents names. Thats just 2 generations removed, and unless they achieved something remotely special, they no longer exist.

Part of it of course is because of our deeply buried subconscious need to live, or rather avoid death, because ultimately we are animals and most of what we do just boils down to that. Thats the reason food tastes good - because if it didnt release happy chemicals in your brain, you would be less motivated to seek it out, and the species would not survive (same reason sex feels good btw, same reason most things feel good or bad). Once we evolved a modicum of intelligence beyond other creatures, this paralysing terror of the unknown of death spawned religion, early on as proto-religions and in more modern times as the religions we are familiar with today, but the long and short of it is that humans are hardwired to be terrified of death (at least their own) and attempt to prolong their life as much as possible - whether in this life or with some concept of an afterlife. Its the same reason without really understanding the mechanics behind your decision, you feel like you want to live longer, and the same reason I havent yet done a long jump with a short sudden stop. Its very difficult to reason yourself past your animalistic evolutionary instincts that have kept you and literally every single direct ancestor of yours alive, unless you have some kind of illness (of which I believe people who commit suicide suffer - its not really a choice made with a healthy mind, and we should be treating it more like an illness IMO so that we can help these people)

Thats exactly my point about the ‘during’. Ultimately the only reason it has any meaning is because as animals for a large part of our evolutionary history if it didnt, we’d go insane and probably wouldnt reach this point where we can type messages to each other over the internet. For all of time before humanity, and for all of time after we are all gone (let alone any single individual), the blip of our existence ultimately doesnt have meaning except for the short blips themselves.

And yes, 40s is partly because thats when the living itself starts to become uncomfortable and/or downright painful, but mainly its just an arbitrary age.

Edit: you said you try to enjoy life as long as possible. Im the same, just sans the “as long as possible” part ;) Its not like I dont like fun or dont have things that bring me enjoyment

To rephrase a thought that @echo@lemmy.world said in their reply:

Do you remember what it was like before you were born? Chances are no (if you do, please speak with a scientist to study this phenomenon). Thats exactly what death is like. Whether I live 10, 20, 30, or 100 years longer than 40, to me it makes no difference - I wont be aware of those years if Im dead. Sure, for some those 40-50 years they live may be amazing even, but after youre dead its neither good nor bad - it just isnt. So for me personally (always speaking about my own personal beliefs, and never trying to claim that others should also wish to only live until 40/50) Id prefer to die at 40ish. I don’t want children (because i dont like them, dont want the responsibility, and my moral code), I refuse to ever get married, so all my life is is a trip that I try to make as comfortable and enjoyable as possible until it stops being so.

Does that mean I will take matters into my own hands and suicide, either by assisted or other methods? No. But in the hypothetical scenario where one could choose when they die in advance, Id personally choose 40 if asked right now.

And to insert a witty quote, “Death is a lot like stupidity. Its only painful for others”. I unfortunately don’t rememember who said it.

I’ll disagree with your point on violence teaching violence. I was spanked as a child, and even hit with belts etc (balkan parents) and yet now in my adult life I avoid violence whenever possible and believe it is wrong in 95% of cases. However that means theres 5% where it is unavoidable, and even necessary.

Also I would counter this argument by saying that if we teach people that violence is never the answer, we raise them to be the kind of people who will let others step all over them (an extreme example is peaceful protestesters against corrupt/outright evil governments - unfortunately it doesnt work most of the time). Now does that mean we should teach that violence is the easy solution you should jump to from the get go? No. It should be stressed that it is only for situations where there is no alternative and the transgression is severe enough to warrant a severe reaction/consequences. So for example, no matter how many times a parent tells their child to do the laundry and they don’t, violence isnt the proportionate consequence. However if a parent catches their kid bullying or endangering others, then yes the “crime” is severe enough in my opinion to warrant a violent response if the child repeatedly engages in that behaviour.

My first laptop i put linux on had a realtek chipset, back in 2016. It never fully worked, and actually made me switch back to windows for a short time. Now I use an Alpha external wifi antenna on my desktop and it just works

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Im plagued on mobile with “fatfingeritis” not my fault 😆

I ordered a pack of about a hundred business cards with “YOU OARKED LIKE AN IDIOT” on one side and a list of checkboxes with reasons on the other. Qould probably stick a couple of these at several points around the car

That would probably be illegal if you allow people from the EU to contribute

You dont have a large bookshelf since you stacked some on top like that (im in the same boat haha)

Expats are just white immigrants trying to differentiate themselves from “those nasty brown people”

Everyone complaining, and here I am not having noticed the change because I’ve created that directory for myself years ago :-P

Personally its for organisation