Honest question, because I know multiple people who are not looking to jump ship since they already have the Plex Pass.

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    Ease of use for my users across multiple platforms with minimal tech knowledge on their end. I’m sharing my library with ranges from 12yo to 70. I need it to “just work” and it does that perfectly.

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    Lifetime subscriber when it was like $75 bux

    Setup and runs on my NAS (unRAID) Uses a small GPU to transcode as needed Shared only with non technical family members

    Has worked as is for YEARS.

    So, the question is, am I looking for something to replace a working free (prepaid) solution I have? That answer is nope.

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    WhatI’ve noticed is that people who prioritize privacy and just want to watch their downloads on their tv usually use jellyfin and people who prioritize ux slickness and want to run an IPTV service for their friends and family usually use plex.

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    I tried Jellyfin once about a year ago and it was… OK I guess? Certainly nowhere near as polished as the rabid fan base would have me believe, and there was something in my library that it flat out refused to play.

    If I didn’t already have a lifetime Plex Pass, and it was just me hosting my own media for a user count of one, then sure, I’d use it. But none of those things are true. I need something that “just works” and Plex fits that bill.

    Like most people here, I bought a lifetime pass when it was $75 and it’s paid for itself over and over again in the time since. I honestly think I’ve had more than $750 worth of value from my purchase. Sure they’ve made some odd decisions recently, but until they start actively taking away functionality or rescind existing lifetime subs then I will continue to use it.

    Meanwhile, not to belittle you personally, but the fact that every thread that mentions Plex in any way, good or bad, is guaranteed to be dominated by people circle-jerking over their beloved Jellyfin has put me completely off the project, to the point that I’ve had to add the word to my blocklist. Obviously that’s not working too well or I wouldn’t have seen this post!

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    The client apps on Apple TV are just not good. I have tried swiftfin which is slow and I find it not very visually appealing. There there is infuse which does look better, but is missing features and requires a subscription for full functionality. If there is a app I’m missing I would be happy to try it.

    I keep Jellyfin up to date and check in or it from time to time. Even have watchstate so my watched history stays updated. Hoping one day there will be a good Apple TV app and I could fully switch.

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    Lifetime Pass holder here. Used to run Jellyfin alongside Plex. Had crashing issues and had to shut Jellyfin down for quite a bit. Came back after a while and started Jellyfin from scratch. None of my users ever chose Jellyfin over Plex.

    • The UI is slower (at least on Windows), clunkier, and uglier. Hopefully this gets fixed in the upcoming big update they have planned for the desktop client. Their Roku app is actually on par with Plex’s though.
    • The admin dashboard is confusing and in my opinion awful.
    • Downloaded content is not viewable within the app on Android. This is the complaint I’ve heard the most from my user who made a significant effort to switch. Ironically, after the New Experience update this became less of an issue since Plex ruined downloads.
    • Plexamp’s UI, radios, and sonic similarity feature were, last I checked, unmatched by a long-shot. I use my music library heavily. If I make the switch fully away from Plex, I’ll probably opt for something more specialized like Navidrome.
    • Manually setting the edition of a movie is so much easier on Plex, and for someone who likes to have multiple editions, it’s less confusing for the user to see each edition individually labelled in the library than selecting the movie and being expected to know which file name they should pick. Not every file is named to Jellyfin’s standards because that would make them harder to add to my torrent client, and some don’t have their editions in the file name at all and I just have them hand-labelled in Plex based on run time.
    • I’m still trying to setup my DVR in Jellyfin and can’t get it to work. Plex works fine, Jellyfin just won’t. It’s a moot point at the moment, but once I do get it to work, unless things have changed over the years, the channel guide is a whole other set of challenges.

    I’m willing to deal with this personally simply because Plex creates just as much, if not more of a headache for me as an administrator and the bloat is ridiculous, but not a single one of my users has switched, and I don’t blame them. They don’t have to deal with the administrative difficulties, so there’s no benefit to them except being able to download files to their system instead of just in the app, which none of them care about. If nobody is going to use it, my focus ends up being on Plex anyway. I have been pushing Jellyfin for a year and a half. None of my friends or family want to use it unless Plex borks something, and even then they want Plex back.

    Jellyfin just isn’t on par with Plex, no matter how much I wish it was. It’s death by a thousand cuts on both the user and administrative ends. It would be one thing if I were a free user or actively paying for Plex, but as a Lifetime Pass holder, I just can’t justify it yet.

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      I would recommend Symfonium for muaic listening.
      It has an insane feature set (and it can support both Plex and Jellyfin libraries

      One of my killer features of it are rolling cache. And you can decide how big and how it behaves to cache songs

      I use Jellyfin to listen music at best on desktop at work through the browser

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        Can you explain rolling cache? I’m pretty sure plexamp does this, but maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re referring to.

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          My phone UI is german so I translated it with google. Text should be accurate enough

          It’s essentially like Spotify does it (probably)

          Should something be unclear, give me a heads up :)

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      For music enthusiasts plexamp is also basically unbeatable. I welcome the day open source catches up.

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      As an observer in these comments, this is a great answer. Thanks for typing it out.

      It does seem like some “cuts” could be ironed out reasonably quickly, like the file naming issue or UI lag.

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      Nothing in the self hosted space is taken seriously on windows. There’s a reason for that. Jellyfin on Linux is fine. I’m a fucking smooth brain and if I can do it, a crack enhanced autistic monkey can do it.

      Plexamp is better. I will give you that. There’s nothing outright bad about jellyfins take on music. Apps like Discrete make it quite nice, but plexamp just satisfies that out-of-box itch.

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      It’s a small piece in your observation but I’ve been on the hunt for an android client for jellyfin with downloads that are… usable. Fladder has been so far the only one where this seemed to work okay-ish (it’s still slow, and I noticed it doesn’t detect if the device supports Dolby vision to force transcoding). But still, if your one user is still trying… maybe it helps them a lil.

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        I’ll take a look at it and let them know. At the moment they’re back on Plex, but if this app works the way they want, they may be open to switching. Thanks!

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      Their Roku app is actually on par with Plex’s though.

      I can’t tell if that’s a complement or a dig 🤣

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    Problem is access outside your home for family and friends.

    There are serious security gaps that make it a non starter to expose to the internet.

    I’ve been using Jellyfin ever since they forked out of Emby, and honestly, it’s the biggest complaint that I have. It is incredibly difficult to make it available to friends and family who are on various devices, networks, so on and so forth.

    Whereas Plex “just works.”

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      Why not use a zero trust VPN like netbird? It is fully open source.

      You can create a reverse proxy that requires a password to get through to jellyfin. I think there is a limit of like 5 for this though (unless you pay or self host).

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        Because clients would probably fail if there’s an authentication layer on front that they’re not expecting.

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      Wait what? I have been sharing my jellyfin using a cloudflare tunnel to the endpoint.

      Could you elaborate on the security gaps? How can I pen-test myself to see if I’m vulnerable

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      What security gaps in particular? I did have to reverse proxy to get it to https, are there additional security issues?

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          thanks; for anyone looking, the issues have been split out at the bottom, none of them are addressed as of this writing. I don’t know that I feel like they are that serious (most of them allow you to play things if you know an ID), but they are the kind of thing you’d see in a project where there are bigger security issues.

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    I’m not switching at this time because I already bought a lifetime pass about 7 years ago. If ANY of my functionality gets changed by Plex then I’ll be switching

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    I absolutely love jellyfin and frequently take advantage of its features. But the client absolutely suck butt. When I can hardly get my mom to remember which app on her TV lets her watch what, I can’t also have her fucking around with play buttons that don’t do what they say, a “continue watching” list that’s often haunted by episodes that have been marked as watched, or inscrutable menu icons mashed into the top-right corner of a media browser.

    And don’t get me started on getting people logged in on the client.

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    Agree with most of the other comments here, but number one for me is PlexAmp.

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    I already own a lifetime Plex pass, so I have no reason to stop using it. They are high thinking that anyone will pay $750 for lifetime. I paid under $100 but frankly I would have paid more, I use it every day. I’m glad that the devs there were able to get paid and provide for their families while making Plex. Plex works incredibly well for me and my family, I will use it for as long as I am able to.

    I struggle to understand why JF users seem to want Plex users to convert so badly. I used JF for a while but things are great on Plex. If I thought JF was better I would switch and my metadata is well prepared for the day I need to.

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      Yeah, pretty much this. I have very little reason to switch, as the price increase doesn’t affect me at all.

      Plus, there are enough known Jellyfin exploits that I’m not comfortable having it on the internet. The vulnerabilities are exploitable even with a reverse proxy. And I enjoy being able to share my libraries with friends and family. I have a few friends who run Plex servers of their own, and having their shared libraries show up in a single unified home page is nice. That wouldn’t be possible if I had to get all of them set up with a local VPN connection first.

      Luckily, the two happily run side-by-side. So there’s literally no good reason to ditch Plex if you already have the lifetime pass.

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      I struggle to understand why JF users seem to want Plex users to convert so badly. I used JF for a while but things are great on Plex.

      See no further as wenn Windows does something bad and Linux users come in like locusts.

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        The difference is that Windows shittiness affects everyone using Wndows. This shittiness from Plex is (currently) only affecting people that are mostly new to the platform.

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      Solidarity. New people are being forced to deal with this enshittification wave. We may be immune to it (for now), but the more people involved and excited about the alternative the better it’ll be. Yeah, I got mine… but we can also be involved in something better.

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    I like Plex.

    When I bought my Plex lifetime pass I saw it as an investment. So far, it’s paid off handsomely.

    I’m still getting great experiences, able to access it from anywhere in the world, on basically any device, seamlessly and simply.

    I get it that the jellyfin community is really excited about their thing - I just am not.

    I’ve run jellyfin, it was kind of cool I guess, but there was nothing compelling about it. So I uninstalled it. What is jellyfin’s “must have” feature, anyway?

    I wouldn’t go out and build a new car when I’m perfectly happy with my 10-year old sedan. If you’re expecting me to go through that just because the new ones cost more than I spent years ago, you’re insane. I wouldn’t go and re paint my house just because the old company now charges new customers more for their paint.

    I paid for it, it works well. There’s no reason (except all the FUD I keep seeing on lemmy,) to even think about dismantling and recreating it with something new.

    Keep building your dream tool Jellyfin people - Godspeed, but your community should target acquiring net-new users instead of trying to scare and poach happy users away from what they already have.

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    This is all a fascinating thread because everyone says Plex “just works”

    I started using jellyfin about 6 months ago. I don’t really know anything about plex use. However, jellyfin worked out of the box for me. Set up with a docker container and have never had any problems with it.

    Its never failed to load media, or loaded duplicates or any of the other random things others have mentioned here.

    For the most part it feels like people in the thread have just used Plex for a long time and had their first impression of jellyfin years ago and probably haven’t checked it out since.

    Which, fair play to them, life gets busy and setting up and migrating a media library is something that takes at least a couple hours which could be spent doing anything else.

    If people are new, I’m sure they won’t even bother with Plex and their ridiculously high fees. I cannot see Plex maintaining their userbase at this rate.

    With them unable to maintain their userbase, I give it a year before they cancel lifetime passes and 2 years or so before it’s completely enshitified and unusable.

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      I’m at the user level of “people keep saying docker… what the fuck is a docker?” -looks it up- “this explains nothing.”

      Plus, I got lifetime Plex a while back, and can use it to stream videos to my remote classroom for examples in class.

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        docker means that the software is so brittle that it only works on the developer’s machines. So they ship the developer’s machine too.

        Docker is not a software distribution medium

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          I can’t tell if you’re being facetious or not. The world runs on containerisation… you can totally package, ship, and run software using docker images.

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        Yeah I understand that. I was also at that level when I started. It did take me a while to understand the docker compose syntax. But was pretty simple once I got into it. I understand not wanting to dive that deep though.

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      yeah as a former plex user I can confirm the setup is way more annoying. for me “just works” means I spin up the container, point it at my media library, and I’m done. never had to make an online account or pay for anything with jellyfin. I agree with ppl that say the plex web UI and native apps are more polished but that’s about the only positive

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        Not it’s mostly about remote access anywhere without VPN. Forcing your friends and family to use a VPN to access a jellyfin instance securely is not something everyone is willing to do (and might be impossible on some devices).

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      Plex just works, especially for library sharing and remote watching - something that does not work without insecure and/or messy workarounds on jellyfin.

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      I tried jellyfin/emby for the third time about 6 months back. I had heaps of encoding issues (not playing) with x265 and lots of issues with dolby encodes (running it through my home theatre from a 2017 nVidia shield using the official client). I even went so far as to run a separate ffmpeg instance but no dice. Until it’s not a hobby project and ‘just works’ I’m not interested.

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      Did you read what they are saying Plex “just works” a[ that Jellyfin doesn’t?

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    I got started with jellyfin and never used Plex but there’s a bunch of rough edges:

    • No apps on several smart tv/streaming stick stores, Vizio has an app for plex but not jellyfin so I would need to buy a new streaming device. Yes smart tvs spy on you but the alternatives people recommend either spy on you just as much or are expensive (Nvidia shield) and most of them still require side loading so it’s a major obstacle for sharing with anyone else.
    • Casting from the mobile app won’t play at full resolution, you can get around this by using VLC as your player and casting from that but that causes it to frequently lose watch progress. Also stopping casting or playing the next episode doesn’t work properly with VLC and you need to rapidly mash “back” to get into the jellyfin app again and queue up a new episode.
    • The current release of Jellyfin desktop won’t play audio for iptv streams, this is fixed in the dev branch but I have yet to find a build without other critical bugs so I’ll likely need to wait for the next release which currently has no target date.
    • The browser version has spotty controller support that stops working constantly. When it does work it lacks any way to access context menus to mark shows as watched etc. If you’re using a flatpak browser to run it on steam deck or whatever, you’ll have codec and passthrough issues (Chrome is the only flatpak with decent codec support).
    • Others have mentioned the security issues which you can bypass by putting authentik or something in front of it but then you can only share with people using browser.
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      Same here, but I am also maintaining jellyfin alongside it. In case Plex decides that “lifetime” means something other than what I expected it to mean. I’ve long ago gotten my $80 of usage out of it.

      Jellyfin is… ok. It works, it works consistently, and it is consistently almost great. But I provide “cable replacement” and “streaming supplement” services to family that doesn’t live in the same house, and will all likely break a box that managed a VPN.

      Given the above, we’ll ride out Plex until they go nuts. Hopefully jellyfin will be polished enough for child use by then.

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        Why would you bother “maintaining” jellyfin when you don’t use it? Just install it if you ever move away from Plex. Seems like work for nothing.

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          One, so that it’s already ready if I ever need to use it seriously, and two, so I can continue to observe its progress and dependencies.

          I suspect Plex will not give us a lot of warning if they decide that old lifetime passes aren’t good enough anymore. Money grabs like that are best as a surprise.

          I have two Plex servers I maintain, for myself, friends, and family. Both also have jellyfin serving the same sources. It’s trivial to maintain them side by side. Since it’s there, I can easily use it occasionally and see if the things I don’t like about jellyfin have been fixed.