its BUGGY and distros keep pushing it to users as if it worked correctly; It doesn’t.
GNOME, one of the biggest desktop environments, breaks constantly under Wayland. It breaks on the brand new laptop (framework), it breaks on the old laptop (old ass Dell)
People keep talking about switching everyone to linux, but then as soon as we have a mature technology (X11), we replace it with half baked garbage
Also, bug report in GNOME created
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I use mint. I think Wayland is available, but I’ve just never switched to it. And to be honest, I’m not even sure if Wayland is actually available on mint. My point is this I don’t think anybody is forcing anybody to switch? Or any other distro’s actually forcing it
Fedora ships by default with GNOME, which by default ships with Wayland
Wayland doesn’t even do lock screen, jitters on scroll… I don’t get the hype.
If it were new I’d be patient, but I feel like it’s been 10 years now.
Man, i’ll have to remember that the next time I go to unlock my computer running wayland. Apparently it’s all in my imagination.
Also running it on Nvidia, which is the nightmare setup, and scrolling is fine. I think you just have an issue with your setup. I’ve only seen issues like that with generic graphics drivers.
Thank you all for the responses. Let me preface this to offer a modicum of credibility. I started my open-source adventure at the turn of the millennium when I found an obscure dutch program called Blender back in the NAN days and volunteered, earning several different positions in the organization as it grew over the next decade and a half. I also was a beta-tester for Artrage (could spot endianess issues when mac switched from motorolla to intel chips), working on other graphics software, commercial and open-source. My primary machine is a Legion Pro laptop with rtx 5800. And am currently employed at a company doing tech support for a linux operating system.
The idea of how do you take these outputs and present them to the user is a fascinating subject I will NEVER get bored of and every advancement excites me. I don’t know how Wayland works, all I know is that it struggles to run on my older machines indicating it’s heavy and un-optimized. On newer machines running Mint, there is an option to turn it on when I log in, and every two years or so I try it, and I end up saying, “not ready yet” because I need to lock my screen when I leave my computer, out of respect for the data of my users. Scrolling, probably in Firefox, looks like a strobe light, that’s an exaggeration but it is anything but smooth or with the same silky momentum X11 provides. I’m old now, in my 50’s, I don’t want to faff about with settings or extra shit… so that is why I gave the critique I gave. If you wrote a lock screen then wtf isn’t it incorporated into Wayland, I mean I might be 60, 70 years old by the time this matures… it just seems like the string theory of graphics display, overly complex, and if it’s that convoluted to lock the screen or bring this to a production level in 5 years, then there is something wrong, and you guys need to ask yourselves if you should start over.
Depending on the “old” definition, but yes will continue to do so!
breaks constantly
What do you mean by this?
I don’t think I’ve ever had an entire desktop environment break.It hangs completely, and forces a hard reboot. I can focus to different windows, but cannot dismiss the “tab-switcher” window. So I can’t launch any other window; and cannot click the content of any existing window
report the bugs so they can be fixed.
Yup
Done
Sounds like GNOME pisses you off. Try a window manager/compositor that is not designed by lunatics who think the OK/Cancel buttons should be at the top of the window when everything else reads left-to-right/top-to-bottom, and that every application should provide its own window decorations so every application looks wildly different. Maybe you would prefer https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/
Also, X11 is decades of half-baked garbage hacks piled on top of half-baked garbage. Wayland fixes real problems.
I like XFCE but the support of high dpi screens is lacking; and the overall consistency bugs are annoying too (like scroll direction is broken)
Not sure what you mean. Been running Wayland for years with little to no problems. No desktop environment though
Yeah good for yoy, but my 50 year old mum needs a desktop environment
Every time someone complains about Wayland it’s always drivel.
No, Wayland is not more buggy than X11, you’re just using an awful desktop environment and haven’t developed proper Linux skills. You bought a Framework laptop and expected everything to be perfect without having a clue what you’re doing.
Sure buddy lol
Since learning Linux I’ve seen a hundred exact copies of you. People who get frustrated and blame everything but themselves when tech goes wrong.
Wayland isn’t an issue. The issue is you. Remember that.
