• endlesseden@pyfedi.deep-rose.org
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            it can be summarised easily as you can see it today as well…

            wealthy individuals with businesses, were afraid of socialism of any kind and backed fascism, even though in the long term it would result in a loss of money as less people to sell products to or need them. as they intend to get as rich as possible, then leave the industry like real life is a game.

            if you can’t see the problem of dissociation at the wealthiest, which has been visible evident since the 2000s starting in the mid 1970s with the first of the post-ww2 generation taking power… it’s easy to lose track of human connection, when you are surrounded by people that only see the vast majority of people as annoying, needy cattle.

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      It’s going to be Germany 1933-1945 all over again, except the leader is considered even more of a clown than the first time.

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        Yeah, the way the history books painted Hitler was like he was a supervillain with the power of convincing people to do what he wants against their will. Now I know that’s probably not true and that the Germans were probably just dumb as fuck pieces of shit that would’ve hammered their own faces if they were told to.

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          There were already plenty of examples to show that making people viscerally hate an arbitrary group of people is incredibly easy. The Stanford prison experiment is so well-known because it perfectly outlines our own innate desire to fit in, even when it means becoming evil, despite how much we want to convince ourselves that we’re above it.

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        worse, with modern regulation evidence is erased as it’s created… so much survived WW2 as record keeping was easy to smuggle out and was leaked via word of mouth…

        England nearly gave in to Germany long before the bombs hit english soil, when they were invading France… we can see parallels to that now and our leaders are in lockstep as unlike Germany who’s economic power was in the toilet before the war, the countries in question now based the world’s systems of trade and economy off of them to ensure it would destabilize everyone if something happened…

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      If history is taught correctly, they will know that Americans of today are propagandized to hell by the capitalist oligarchs who are fighting tooth and nail to maintain the hierarchy. That the coercive structure of the capitalist system left people alienated and disenfranchised and largely unable to overcome the sea of misinformation designed to isolate and divide communities.

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    We’ll see how many primary sources even survive the following decades.

    Though I don’t envy anyone who has to do history science when a large amount of primary sources are available. Imagine having to analyse Trump tweets for a paper.

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      We’re in the age of AI now. Are future historians going to be able to trust primary sources?

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      I can see future students simply denying that anyone would have really voted for DJT.

      “I refuse to believe that anyone was that dumb!”

      Can’t really blame them, I can hardly believe it now.

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        Many Germans did vote for Hitler (never the absolute majority of voters, though), even though he was clearly hateful and evil and obviously making lots of false claims, and on top of that looked completely ridiculous when he was shouting and screaming in his speeches. Can’t remember seeing any German say that they don’t believe that anyone voted for the guy.

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    Guessing it will be called The Stupid Ages, or maybe The Antichrist Years, depending on who is in charge.

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    If it’s like before, eventually it’ll be just a vague “things were bad” like the gilded age or great depression. Humans aren’t great at learning big picture things.

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    Optimistic of you to be so sure they’ll be studying history at all in the future.

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      while I’m with you, we have to hope that it all falls apart. otherwise we are looking at the collapse of humanity. Nzi Germany was broke, if it would of continued without the US joining the war, the economy was doomed from the start. it was hedged on government bonds as currency and the companies went with it because of the promises of Slve labour of undersirables.

      htler was obsessed with ancient Rome and wanted to build infrastructure with a indentured servants. problem was never the labour but the supplies. even if you had control of everything, the economic system would of collapsed without trade, there was no trade, because there was no one to buy anything and nothing to buy. the moment the war ended there would be no industry needing the raw materials and the government its self was still broke, it couldn’t pay anyone anything. it was just printing money with no value.

      certain countries are heading that way. inflation like you see right now is exactly why war is being sought instead of regulation. the companies benifiting right now only care about making the profit line go up as long as possible. investors and CEO’s will just quit/sell the moment it’s about to collapse and then buy up the countries that collapse… it’s really that simple.

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    Bold assumption that our descendants will have the kind of general education that would result in what we think of “extra homework” for “history students”. I imagine a future scholar to be like Kenneth from 30 Rock

    spoiler

    (in his mortal form)

    Kenneth saying: "Science was my most favourite subject. Especially the old testament."

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                  ODYSSEUS (V.O.)
      And for centuries of darkness to follow, 
      the stories of Troy will only be sung...
      
                    PENELOPE
      Why will the stories only be sung?
      
                    ODYSSEUS
      Because songs will be all they have to
      remember those of us who could write.
      
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    All you young ones just wait until you get corrected in twenty years by someone like you because they didn’t live it and think they know more about it than you.

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    So… the US president was part of a child eating cult-like sex trafficking net that was actually managed by moSS*d. Countries around the world that stump into that information used it to blackmail him.

    At one point, the info got partially leaked, but he was kept in power for some reason.

    First: that wont ever make it to a history book

    Second: i wonder how many times things like this happened… this cabt be the first one

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      First: that wont ever make it to a history book

      It probably will, it’s too relevant to be left out. It will just not be explained in that plain language, because people care about protecting children from the raw character of historical figures.

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    Trump is trying to make it easier for history students by deleting all mention of racism and other forms of discrimination

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    I might suggest that rather than saying people are dumb for having made certain decisions, that we should ask ourselves how the opinions that led to those decisions were formed. There are always external factors acting on and influencing our agency.